On Churning and Friends
Earlier this week, I posted a blog entry here on FlippingFrenzy.com called “Stuck Between Rock Financial and a Hard Place,” which drew comments about my statement that “your loan officer is not your friend,” and about the concept of “churning.” Rather than burry my reply in the comment area of that post, I figured I’d highlight the issue further by posting my response here. (If you’re new to this thread, you may want to read “Stuck Between Rock Financial and a Hard Place” before reading the following.)
The term “churning” might not have the same “legal” or “business” understanding when used in the mortgage arena as it does when used in the securities arena, but the concept that is relayed by the use of the term helps most everyone understand what happened with the loan process.
The reason I used that term is because at no point in time did the loan officer ever tell his clients, “You can’t afford to borrow this much, because you can’t afford to repay it“, or “Borrowing this much, based on your income (risk tolerance) isn’t in your best interest.” That’s where the analogy fits in with the stock broker who continues to buy, sell, trade on a stock account in a way that: (1) Doesn’t benefit the account owner; (2) Is detrimental in the long run to the account owner; or, (3) Serves only to line the broker’s own pockets.
Granted the owner of the account still owns the stock and securities in the account and the owner may have taken dividends on that account (cash out from closing), but what the owner isn’t aware of is that their trust is ill placed.
Now, let me also say that not every loan officer is out to milk the equity out of a home (so too, not every stock broker is out trading against the risk tolerance of their client). The homeowner may very well have gone to another loan officer when told that this one couldn’t (or wouldn’t) place the loan. They may have found someone to place the loan and draw out the equity. But, with all that in mind, the loan officer at Quicken Loan’s Rock Financial didn’t even bother mention that continuing to increase the LTV (loan to value) and DIR (debt to income ratio) might cause financial strain. Instead, he encouraged them to refi time after time, and why—-one has to assume because he made very healthy commissions each time or because he was never trained in how to properly do his job. (As an aside, the Rock Financial loan officer not only encouraged Lisa and Peter, he altered numbers to make the transaction possible. Stated loan applications don’t mean you get to show income from a high paying job when the reality is much different. Yes, some homeowners fudge numbers, too, but more often now-a-days, we’re seeing unscrupulous loan officers doctoring the numbers to qualify borrowers and place loans.)
One commenter to my original post made a great point when he said that homeowners have to take responsibility for some of their actions, but where I think he fails is here: The loan would not have passed underwriting if the underwriter would have done his/her job. All the documents were in the loan application file to “red flag” the whole thing (they often are). Not just on the final loan, but for each refi. So even if you don’t believe that the loan officer owes some “duty” to the homeowner, they (and the underwriter) surely owe it to the lender to place a secure loan – and they did not.
The fact of the matter is that homeowners–especially novice or first-time homeowners–rely on professionals to help them understand the process. They expect (hope) that they (the loan officer, REALTOR, whoever) are looking out for their (owners) interests. They look to real estate industry insiders to be a financial advisor on the home loan issue because the loan officers have professional expertise on the matter. So when that “trusted advisor” (time and time again) sells you down the river, all the while continuing to pretend to be working for you…it’s pretty hard not to say: Be aware, your loan officer is not your friend! This is not an isolated incident, it happens to millions of people each year (and not just in real estate – look at the automobile financing industry and you see example after example of someone driving a car they simply cannot afford but were nevertheless approved for a lease or loan).
A commenter to my original post is also correct when he says that not coming out of pocket on a refi is common practice. That’s true. What is problematic is that very few people know how to read settlement statements or know what questions to ask about them. They see money coming to them and the rest is Greek (unless you speak Greek, then maybe its Russian or Chinese).
When we see “Yield Spread Premium” on the statement, does the average or first-time homeowner immediately think “Oh, that’s a bonus being paid (some would say kickback) to the loan officer for placing me in a product that will generate large returns for the lender/investor?” Or, when the homeowner sees POC (paid outside of closing), do they know to ask about it. Do they ask why it’s not being paid at closing since it looks like a pretty standard cost that is paid at closing? The truth is most don’t. They don’t even know to ask, and they aren’t being told.
I would venture to guess that there are not many loan officers who tell the homeowner “I could have placed you in product A–which actually makes more sense for you)–but because product B pays me more I went with that loan instead.” Then of course they’d follow up with, “Oh, but don’t worry, I’ll just get my cut from your equity; you won’t have to actually come out of pocket to pay me.”
If I sound disgruntled, it’s probably because I am. It seems there used to only be a few rotten apples in the industry (and it’s that way in every industry to address one commenter’s ‘real estate agent overselling a buyer ‘comment), but it looks more and more today like entire parcels of the crop are bad, with the exception being the few good apples like the commenter in question.
Whatever disagreements commenters to the original post and I have, I hope we agree on at least one thing: that the system is broken (or corrupt) or at least pieces of it are. If the system is going to be fixed we have to address all the issues creating the problem. We need borrower education, system overhaul, and a whole lot of work by all of us.
Finally, one last thought (related to the whole ‘who is and is not your friend’ issue, which is raised in my original post ). To me, a friend is someone you can call anytime of the day or night and on the drop of a dime they’ll gladly drive 75 miles to help you change a tire or travel twice that distance or further to pick you up at the airport at one in the morning. If you live this life with three or four true “friends” by your side, you’re one lucky son-of-a-you-know-what; and unless you know him or her on a highly personal level, your loan officer is not your friend, just like your REALTOR, stock broker, auto mechanic, attorney, etc. is not your “friend” either. Loan officers—just like every other professional–have a job to do, and they will almost always protect their business interest over yours (just like most Realtors will). As more than one commenter likes to say, “buyer beware,” always!




